Definitions

Posted by Mike on Oct 26th, 2007
2007
Oct 26

Definitions are tricky things. I am composing some introductory material for our About page so that people coming here have an idea of what we mean by paleocon, paleolib, neocon, and so forth. (At least, they’ll know what I mean by them. That’s all that matters, really.)

They will be chock full of useful hyperlinks, too. I’ll comment on this thread when they’ve been submitted.

For starters, though, here’s a trial balloon or two. Continue Reading »

Re: Bush Administration Crimes

Posted by The Superfluous Man on Oct 26th, 2007
2007
Oct 26

Forgive me, Karl.  Apparently my tongue-in-cheek tone didn’t come across effectively enough for you.  I like Craig Paul Roberts, but his over-the-topedness makes him sound like a man pariahed by post-Reagan conservatives (wait, he was!). 

My intent was simply to complement my previous post on the ever-expanding executive power and Hillary’s promise to curtail it.  Is this expnasionism via constituional revisionism criminal?  Probably not.  Nonetheless, it is deplorable.  Now that you bring it up, however, Roberts’ piece does bring up some interesting issues:

1. Spying without warrants on American citizens: how much clearer do you need this to be?  You’re the only guy I know who probably read Animal Farm and 1984 as utopic manifestos of a world foregone.  Bush, because he felt the FISA was too demanding, decided to do away with all the red tape and spy wantonly and regularly on American citizens despite the lack of constitutionally required warrants.  Seriously, this is OK with you? Continue Reading »

2007
Oct 26

And he’ll have his own Marxist revolutionary. Seriously though, uneducated fools continue to flock to the aura of these murderers and their governments. Conservative estimates put the numbered of murdered in Cuba under Guevara well into the thousands and Cuba remains in shambles today. This goes for all other former communist governments and their cruel leaders. The hammer and sickle are popular fashion statements today but do the wearers remember the millions that lost their lives under Uncle Joe Stalin and this progeny?

2007
Oct 26

Are you kidding me? It falls to me to refute this crap? I thought we had some neocons on this website! (Where the hell are Bill and awb?) I’m not entirely sure I disagree with everything here.

First of all, I DO object to the idea of calling what the president has done (mostly with the approval of the United States Congress) a crime.

Second, there are 11 charges. I will respond to each one in turn.

1. Spying without court warrants on American citizens: Is he referring to intercepts of phone traffic between terrorists that are routed through the U.S.? Please clarify.

2. Denial of habeas corpus for terrorists: No problem with this. Terrorists are terrorists whatever their nationality. Caveat Emptor: Don’t fight for the Taliban.

3. Justification of torture to coerce confession: I’ve been through the bar exam. If waterboarding is torture, bring it on - it would have been easier.

4. The “fabrication” of evidence in order to justify an invasion Iraq. (Where the hell are you getting this crap SM?) We had every reason to believe that Iraq possessed WMDs. Both our intelligence agency was saying it, and also the British Intelligence Agency was saying it. We relied on those reports. What were our decision-makers supposed to do?

5. Violation of the oath of office by Bush and everyone else in his administration: You have a point here. He did create a completely unconstitutional new entitlement in the prescription drug benefit. And, no one said a word.

6. Okay. I’m not really sure what this charge is all about. But, I DO know that presidents before GWB made “signing statements” to influence the way the Supreme Court interpreted a law. Much like the Congress make findings to do the same. If that’s what this refers to, I find it to be less than a crime considering that the Court has made it clear that the “legislative record” is part of what they consider in determining what a law means.

7. Genocide (are you freaking kidding me?) against the Iraqi people. These are the same people who mugged for the camera with purple thumbs, smiles plastered all over their faces. Genocide?

8. Genocide in Afghanistan. See above answer. You’ve got to be kidding me.

9. Massive corruption with respect to contracts. This might have a kernel of truth. I don’t know enough about the contract process to know…prove it.

10. Theft of two elections. You can’t seriously agree with this. The recounts have been numerous and Al Gore has never won. Nor has Kerry. What? What?

11. I’ll quote this charge in full:
The Bush administration has even conducted Stalinist show trials against innocent Muslim charities as part of its propaganda to make the American people fearful that they are surrounded by hostile terrorists. In December 2001, President Bush declared the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development to be a “terrorist organization” and seized the charity’s assets. Bush put the charities’ officials on trial as terrorists. Six years later, on Oct. 22, 2007, after years of investigations and two months of testimony by “Israeli intelligence agents” (according to The New York Times), the U.S. government’s case fell apart in the courtroom.
Ummmm, okay, the government put these folks on trial and found them not guilty. In what way is that Stalinist? Have I missed something? Did Stalin conduct trials where the outcome was not foregone? Perhaps this is an objection to the fact that the witnesses-in-chief were Jews…Have we come to the point where if a prosecutor pushes a case against a Muslim and loses it becomes a crime?

In the end, the question is this:
If GWB is “guilty” of all these crimes, do you support the initiation of impeachment charges against him? And, if not, why not?

Update on Religious Right Fracturing the Party

Posted by Karl on Oct 26th, 2007
2007
Oct 26

I think PJB brings up an important point that bears on this issue in his article, “Conservatism is a Tower of Babel.” In that articles he says,

And so, today, the once-great house of conservatism is a Tower of Babel. We are big government and small government, traditionalist and libertarian, tax-cutter and budget hawk, free trader and economic nationalist. Bush and McCain support amnesty and a “path to citizenship” for illegals. The country wants the laws enforced and a fence on the border

This is exactly what this blog is all about- the differences within the conservative movement. PJB is entirely correct. We are big government and small government. We are free trader and economic nationalist. We are traditionalists and libertarians. Continue Reading »