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		<title>By: Conservative Donnybrook &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Do states have the right to secede?</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-3/#comment-11503</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Donnybrook &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Do states have the right to secede?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Civil War and some of the issues surrounding that conflict have arisen on this website on a couple different occasions, but I don&#8217;t believe we&#8217;ve ever hashed out whether the states possess the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Civil War and some of the issues surrounding that conflict have arisen on this website on a couple different occasions, but I don&#8217;t believe we&#8217;ve ever hashed out whether the states possess the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-3/#comment-3680</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it.</p>
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		<title>By: love the girls</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-3/#comment-3679</link>
		<dc:creator>love the girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jame&#039;s example of a Will is of one prior to death where the Will can be change unilaterally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jame&#8217;s example of a Will is of one prior to death where the Will can be change unilaterally.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-3/#comment-3678</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I see that Bill has responded to you with more or less the same response I would have made. The example of a Will is deficient in that a Will only becomes operable upon the death of the testator. At that point, not only does the Will become operable, but it is binding on the rest of the world irrevocably. In that sense, I would agree that a contract which does not provide for revocation either implicitly or explicitly is very much like a Will - irrevocable upon ratification. 

Gentlemen, do not get me wrong. You can ALWAYS break a contract through breach. However, you have to understand that a breach of the contract comes with costs. At times, it may be that the costs of breach are lesser than continued performance under the contract. That is a decision that may be rationally made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I see that Bill has responded to you with more or less the same response I would have made. The example of a Will is deficient in that a Will only becomes operable upon the death of the testator. At that point, not only does the Will become operable, but it is binding on the rest of the world irrevocably. In that sense, I would agree that a contract which does not provide for revocation either implicitly or explicitly is very much like a Will &#8211; irrevocable upon ratification. </p>
<p>Gentlemen, do not get me wrong. You can ALWAYS break a contract through breach. However, you have to understand that a breach of the contract comes with costs. At times, it may be that the costs of breach are lesser than continued performance under the contract. That is a decision that may be rationally made.</p>
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		<title>By: love the girls</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-3/#comment-3677</link>
		<dc:creator>love the girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill writes : &quot;Its also unnatural for a man to have green hair, it is still his right to color it so.&quot;

Not unnatural as accident, but according to man&#039;s essence.    

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Bill writes : &quot;You argue that secession is a right when it suits your case, but not when it falls short of your ideals.&quot;

There&#039;s a difference between a sovereign entity withdrawing from a pact to which it has delegated powers, and a the withdrawal of a body whose sovereignty is in potency.    The former is not unlike a parent who delegates to a school to teach his children.  The authority to teach is inviolably in the parent who can remove his child from the school at will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill writes : &#8220;Its also unnatural for a man to have green hair, it is still his right to color it so.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not unnatural as accident, but according to man&#8217;s essence.    </p>
<p>________________</p>
<p>Bill writes : &#8220;You argue that secession is a right when it suits your case, but not when it falls short of your ideals.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between a sovereign entity withdrawing from a pact to which it has delegated powers, and a the withdrawal of a body whose sovereignty is in potency.    The former is not unlike a parent who delegates to a school to teach his children.  The authority to teach is inviolably in the parent who can remove his child from the school at will.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-3/#comment-3675</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its also unnatural for a man to have green hair, it is still his right to color it so.

You argue that secession is a right when it suits your case, but not when it falls short of your ideals.  Not a very strong leg to stand on, LTG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its also unnatural for a man to have green hair, it is still his right to color it so.</p>
<p>You argue that secession is a right when it suits your case, but not when it falls short of your ideals.  Not a very strong leg to stand on, LTG.</p>
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		<title>By: love the girls</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-3/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator>love the girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill writes : &quot;..because only a government has the right to withdrawal from another government? based on “philosophy?”&quot;

What is a &quot;right&quot; in this context?  Does a community of a higher order which is by nature sovereign have a duty to recognize the potential sovereignty of those community within it, so that if those communities within it desire to be actually sovereign, the higher community has a duty to recognize that sovereignty?    

___________

A single man or family can emigrate to another society.  But it&#039;s unnatural for him to be an island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill writes : &#8220;..because only a government has the right to withdrawal from another government? based on “philosophy?”&#8221;</p>
<p>What is a &#8220;right&#8221; in this context?  Does a community of a higher order which is by nature sovereign have a duty to recognize the potential sovereignty of those community within it, so that if those communities within it desire to be actually sovereign, the higher community has a duty to recognize that sovereignty?    </p>
<p>___________</p>
<p>A single man or family can emigrate to another society.  But it&#8217;s unnatural for him to be an island.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your answer is no?

..because only a government has the right to withdrawal from another government?  based on &quot;philosophy?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your answer is no?</p>
<p>..because only a government has the right to withdrawal from another government?  based on &#8220;philosophy?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: love the girls</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-3/#comment-3671</link>
		<dc:creator>love the girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill writes : &quot;Does every citizen of every city, county and state then have the right to secede from all forms of government authority under which they exist so as to render themselves a nation unto their own?&quot;

Your question assumes that a State can be properly under a higher secular authority.   But to all natural things there is a limit. 

As I wrote previously, sovereignty exists in the multitude because man is by nature a political animal.  Thus while the a social contract does not of itself recognize the nature of man as that which properly scales society and thus likewise scales the sovereign, because to all natural things there is a limit.  And thus sovereignty exists in the multitude according to the nature and scale of man.  

A sovereign multitude which in the case of the US delegated powers as the 10th Amendment explains.   Which is substantially different from ceding authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill writes : &#8220;Does every citizen of every city, county and state then have the right to secede from all forms of government authority under which they exist so as to render themselves a nation unto their own?&#8221;</p>
<p>Your question assumes that a State can be properly under a higher secular authority.   But to all natural things there is a limit. </p>
<p>As I wrote previously, sovereignty exists in the multitude because man is by nature a political animal.  Thus while the a social contract does not of itself recognize the nature of man as that which properly scales society and thus likewise scales the sovereign, because to all natural things there is a limit.  And thus sovereignty exists in the multitude according to the nature and scale of man.  </p>
<p>A sovereign multitude which in the case of the US delegated powers as the 10th Amendment explains.   Which is substantially different from ceding authority.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/02/13/paleo-please/comment-page-2/#comment-3670</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LTG-

Does every citizen of every city, county and state then have the right to secede from all forms of government authority under which they exist so as to render themselves a nation unto their own?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LTG-</p>
<p>Does every citizen of every city, county and state then have the right to secede from all forms of government authority under which they exist so as to render themselves a nation unto their own?</p>
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