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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Stimulus&#8221; or Trojan Horse?</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2009/02/05/stimulus-or-trojan-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-12390</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An article on Politico states: &quot;Obama accused his Republican critics of wanting to return to &#039;the same policies that for the last eight years doubled the national debt and threw our economy into a tailspin.&#039;&quot;

What policies are those, Mr. President?  Pork barrel bills?  &quot;Stimulus&quot; bills?  Bail out bills?  It sure seems to me that YOU are the one towing the Bush line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An article on Politico states: &#8220;Obama accused his Republican critics of wanting to return to &#8216;the same policies that for the last eight years doubled the national debt and threw our economy into a tailspin.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>What policies are those, Mr. President?  Pork barrel bills?  &#8220;Stimulus&#8221; bills?  Bail out bills?  It sure seems to me that YOU are the one towing the Bush line.</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Musings &#187; spinline.net: The Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Musings &#187; spinline.net: The Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Willmoore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willmoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation looks pretty dire, doesn&#039;t it? 

It seems like the idea of pinning blame on Obama if his policies prolong the crisis is hopeless, judging from the experience of the Depression: Roosevelt somehow maintained high popularity despite serially wrecking the economy. I guess since Obama can&#039;t be blamed for the onset of the crisis, he&#039;ll be lauded for any measures he takes if it seems like he&#039;s manfully confronting the problem, if the past is any guide.

I guess we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation looks pretty dire, doesn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>It seems like the idea of pinning blame on Obama if his policies prolong the crisis is hopeless, judging from the experience of the Depression: Roosevelt somehow maintained high popularity despite serially wrecking the economy. I guess since Obama can&#8217;t be blamed for the onset of the crisis, he&#8217;ll be lauded for any measures he takes if it seems like he&#8217;s manfully confronting the problem, if the past is any guide.</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I guess I wasn&#039;t done.

I said above that goodies and giveaways &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; go away. However, the current economic climate presents just such an opportunity that if they ever were going to be eliminated, the pols have political cover. With rampant budget shortfalls at every level of government, this is the perfect opportunity to go to the American people and say, &quot;We simply do not have the money to continue spending the way we have been. We&#039;re all going to have to tighten our belts in the coming days. Other than the barest functions of government and those programs needed to prevent our most needy from homelessness and starvation, we are instituting a scaleback on all government spending, effective immediately.&quot; And yet, we are instead heaping new entitlements on top of the ones that placed us in a position where a downturn in the economy means massive budgetary crisis.</description>
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<p>I said above that goodies and giveaways <i>never</i> go away. However, the current economic climate presents just such an opportunity that if they ever were going to be eliminated, the pols have political cover. With rampant budget shortfalls at every level of government, this is the perfect opportunity to go to the American people and say, &#8220;We simply do not have the money to continue spending the way we have been. We&#8217;re all going to have to tighten our belts in the coming days. Other than the barest functions of government and those programs needed to prevent our most needy from homelessness and starvation, we are instituting a scaleback on all government spending, effective immediately.&#8221; And yet, we are instead heaping new entitlements on top of the ones that placed us in a position where a downturn in the economy means massive budgetary crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has really been irking me is this claim (made quite strongly and quite threateningly today) that if this stimulus (and no other) is not passed, the ramifications for the economy are dire beyond our wildest imaginings. And yet, the stimulus package itself acknowledges that even with the package, things will get ugly. This is a classic win-win/win-win. 

If this package is not passed and the economy gets much worse, then Obama can claim that had we only passed his plan, we might have averted the straits we will then find ourselves in. If the package is not passed and the economy remains as it is or worsens only marginally, then Obama can claim that had we passed his plan, the economy might have recovered by now.

If his plan is passed and the economy improves or stays roughly the same, he can take credit for staving off the ruin of our economy and the eventual recovery. If his plan is passed and the economy tanks anyway, he can claim that it would have been much worse if we had neglected to pass his bill. 

I don&#039;t see any way, with a sycophantic media, that any outcome will redound to Obama&#039;s detriment. He simply cannot be allowed to fail, and failure will only mean that it would have been worse had we not passed his giveaway scheme.

The one thing we can say for certain is that for each of the little goodies that this package includes, you can bet your sweet ass that those will never be taken away from the persons who receive them. When it comes to giveaways, there is no such thing as temporary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has really been irking me is this claim (made quite strongly and quite threateningly today) that if this stimulus (and no other) is not passed, the ramifications for the economy are dire beyond our wildest imaginings. And yet, the stimulus package itself acknowledges that even with the package, things will get ugly. This is a classic win-win/win-win. </p>
<p>If this package is not passed and the economy gets much worse, then Obama can claim that had we only passed his plan, we might have averted the straits we will then find ourselves in. If the package is not passed and the economy remains as it is or worsens only marginally, then Obama can claim that had we passed his plan, the economy might have recovered by now.</p>
<p>If his plan is passed and the economy improves or stays roughly the same, he can take credit for staving off the ruin of our economy and the eventual recovery. If his plan is passed and the economy tanks anyway, he can claim that it would have been much worse if we had neglected to pass his bill. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any way, with a sycophantic media, that any outcome will redound to Obama&#8217;s detriment. He simply cannot be allowed to fail, and failure will only mean that it would have been worse had we not passed his giveaway scheme.</p>
<p>The one thing we can say for certain is that for each of the little goodies that this package includes, you can bet your sweet ass that those will never be taken away from the persons who receive them. When it comes to giveaways, there is no such thing as temporary.</p>
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