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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2009/07/01/gwb-top-12-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17226</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, Nimrod, you haven&#039;t been paying attention. Victory has been achieved on the Malabar Fron... I mean, in Iraq! Didn&#039;t you catch the news when all U.S. troops were withdrawn from Iraq[i cities] last week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, Nimrod, you haven&#8217;t been paying attention. Victory has been achieved on the Malabar Fron&#8230; I mean, in Iraq! Didn&#8217;t you catch the news when all U.S. troops were withdrawn from Iraq[i cities] last week?</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2009/07/01/gwb-top-12-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17214</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So GWB ...

1) got us into two land wars in Asia, which we are still fighting to win, the definition of &quot;winning&quot; being totally illusive and uncertain.

2) told us that Saddam had WMDs, which hasn&#039;t worked out so far.

3) signed every piece of legislature passed before his eyes, making him a bigger spender than all Presidents since LBJ.

4) pushed through the first round of bailouts.

5) okayed prison camps for untried, suspected terrorists, the definition of which is fungible.

6) okayed the debasing of our currency, which in effect is stealing from everyone.

7) promoted risky mortgage lending to everyone and his brother, helping to cause the housing bubble.

And this guy is a top-12 president?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So GWB &#8230;</p>
<p>1) got us into two land wars in Asia, which we are still fighting to win, the definition of &#8220;winning&#8221; being totally illusive and uncertain.</p>
<p>2) told us that Saddam had WMDs, which hasn&#8217;t worked out so far.</p>
<p>3) signed every piece of legislature passed before his eyes, making him a bigger spender than all Presidents since LBJ.</p>
<p>4) pushed through the first round of bailouts.</p>
<p>5) okayed prison camps for untried, suspected terrorists, the definition of which is fungible.</p>
<p>6) okayed the debasing of our currency, which in effect is stealing from everyone.</p>
<p>7) promoted risky mortgage lending to everyone and his brother, helping to cause the housing bubble.</p>
<p>And this guy is a top-12 president?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2009/07/01/gwb-top-12-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17189</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did that just come to you?  Damn brilliant, you ought write for National Lampoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did that just come to you?  Damn brilliant, you ought write for National Lampoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2009/07/01/gwb-top-12-of-all-time/comment-page-1/#comment-17183</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, excuse me. Bill took all the Blue stuff and added the last of the red to try to cover it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, excuse me. Bill took all the Blue stuff and added the last of the red to try to cover it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, 

I just wish you&#039;d make some other flavor of Kool-Aid than Green. That crap is disgusting. Don&#039;t you have any Red flavors in the cupboard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>I just wish you&#8217;d make some other flavor of Kool-Aid than Green. That crap is disgusting. Don&#8217;t you have any Red flavors in the cupboard?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl,
I&#039;ve made another pitcher of Kool-Aid. Have another glass. Mmmmmmmmmmmm. 

Bill, 
At least you didn&#039;t try to employ Everson. So you&#039;ve got that going for you. Which is nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl,<br />
I&#8217;ve made another pitcher of Kool-Aid. Have another glass. Mmmmmmmmmmmm. </p>
<p>Bill,<br />
At least you didn&#8217;t try to employ Everson. So you&#8217;ve got that going for you. Which is nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl,
I do not base my position on &quot;might makes right.&quot;  that is ubsured.  You are right, we have discussed this before.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/07/08/why-i-continue-to-love-lincoln/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;See the other arguments for a good discussion&lt;/a&gt;.  I believe that the argument against wholesale secession controls.  It is the most legally sound argument presented.  The opposition went to war because they desired to follow emotion rather than logic.  War enforced the law.  Force is an acceptable reaction to violent breach of the law, no?  Again, history and the Big C. lend favor to my (and yours as it were) position.

Okay...?  Several states also had patently unconstitutional laws regarding racial discrimination after the Big C included the equal protection clause. 

I agree that 9 and 10 encompass more than simply trade rights.  But that does not mean that the right to trade is not included.  Sure, Congress can regulate and they often do.  Barring some Congressional prohibition on trade, free trade is a protected right.  

Lew Rockwell and his ilk are hopeless fanatics, I agree.  But they also represent a large number of paleos.  Not all, mind you.  They are not the only source that prefers the AoC over the Big C either. Look around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl,<br />
I do not base my position on &#8220;might makes right.&#8221;  that is ubsured.  You are right, we have discussed this before.  <a href="http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/07/08/why-i-continue-to-love-lincoln/#comments" rel="nofollow">See the other arguments for a good discussion</a>.  I believe that the argument against wholesale secession controls.  It is the most legally sound argument presented.  The opposition went to war because they desired to follow emotion rather than logic.  War enforced the law.  Force is an acceptable reaction to violent breach of the law, no?  Again, history and the Big C. lend favor to my (and yours as it were) position.</p>
<p>Okay&#8230;?  Several states also had patently unconstitutional laws regarding racial discrimination after the Big C included the equal protection clause. </p>
<p>I agree that 9 and 10 encompass more than simply trade rights.  But that does not mean that the right to trade is not included.  Sure, Congress can regulate and they often do.  Barring some Congressional prohibition on trade, free trade is a protected right.  </p>
<p>Lew Rockwell and his ilk are hopeless fanatics, I agree.  But they also represent a large number of paleos.  Not all, mind you.  They are not the only source that prefers the AoC over the Big C either. Look around.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

1) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/12/04/do-states-have-the-right-to-secede/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We have had this argument &lt;/a&gt;and it is not at all clear that you are right on this issue. You rely on the outcome of a war as establishing the rightfulness of your position. In other words, might makes right. If that is your position, you&#039;d better hope that the might always remains on your side. The moral question, however, remains no matter who possesses the superiority in arms. I daresay you would find it difficult to establish the position that military might determines truth. For that would render truth variable, situational, relative.
4) Reread the words in the Bill of Rights. Several States had established religions well after the Bill of Rights&#039; ratification. 
5) How do the people retain rights to trade when the Constitution grants Congress the power to regulate commerce? I propose that the 9th and 10th amendments refer to something other than bare trade rights. (Look at the general structure of federalism that the structure of our constitution established for a clue). 
6) Lew Rockell is, in my opinion, paleo-libertarian or, more properly anarchist. There are plenty of paleo sources that are far more reasonable than Lew Rockwell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>1) <a href="http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/12/04/do-states-have-the-right-to-secede/" rel="nofollow">We have had this argument </a>and it is not at all clear that you are right on this issue. You rely on the outcome of a war as establishing the rightfulness of your position. In other words, might makes right. If that is your position, you&#8217;d better hope that the might always remains on your side. The moral question, however, remains no matter who possesses the superiority in arms. I daresay you would find it difficult to establish the position that military might determines truth. For that would render truth variable, situational, relative.<br />
4) Reread the words in the Bill of Rights. Several States had established religions well after the Bill of Rights&#8217; ratification.<br />
5) How do the people retain rights to trade when the Constitution grants Congress the power to regulate commerce? I propose that the 9th and 10th amendments refer to something other than bare trade rights. (Look at the general structure of federalism that the structure of our constitution established for a clue).<br />
6) Lew Rockell is, in my opinion, paleo-libertarian or, more properly anarchist. There are plenty of paleo sources that are far more reasonable than Lew Rockwell.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn smiley faces!  what ever happened to the good ol&#039; eight)?</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) obviously, it is not but we have had this argument.  History proves my position correct.
2)Article 1, Sec. 8 Clause 3 definitly gives Congress the power to regulate commerce.  the 9th and 10th amendments seem to me to give the states or the people the right to trade.
3) A declaration of war is not necessary for the president to comand troops to battle.  
4)Umm, you are aware of the Bill of Rights, no?
5)Advocatation is fine, the Constitution is able to be amended.  I just find it funny the Paleo &quot;conservatives&quot; often languish over the EC.  If it was abolished and direct elections implemented, NY and CA would make all the decisions and they are not very conservative.
6) Lew Rockwell and many of his ilk sure do.  Check this out: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/stromberg11.html
7)Weird
8) Id.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) obviously, it is not but we have had this argument.  History proves my position correct.<br />
2)Article 1, Sec. 8 Clause 3 definitly gives Congress the power to regulate commerce.  the 9th and 10th amendments seem to me to give the states or the people the right to trade.<br />
3) A declaration of war is not necessary for the president to comand troops to battle.<br />
4)Umm, you are aware of the Bill of Rights, no?<br />
5)Advocatation is fine, the Constitution is able to be amended.  I just find it funny the Paleo &#8220;conservatives&#8221; often languish over the EC.  If it was abolished and direct elections implemented, NY and CA would make all the decisions and they are not very conservative.<br />
6) Lew Rockwell and many of his ilk sure do.  Check this out: <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/stromberg11.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/stromberg11.html</a><br />
7)Weird<br />
 <img src='http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Id.</p>
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