Time and again our side has given specific, money-saving, practical solutions which would actually contribute to national security, because we love our country and its constitutionally enshrined principles, and time and again, your side calls us racist, isolationist, liberal, and so forth. You never make an actual argument; you point us to Prager, Kagan, Kristol, or whomever, and they (like the officials in the administration who acted even before 9/11/01 to instigate a war with Iraq so that Israel would not have to, and like administration officials and lobbyists for AIPAC acted as agents for a foreign government giving and soliciting information which was detrimental to operational security of American troops) constantly fabricate “evidence” like tubes for rail guns, yellow-cake sales from Niger, and ad hoc and ever-shifting “justifications” for abandoning the legitimate fight we were winning in Afghanistan against the guys who actually did attack us. ‘N stuff. You know, complicated stuff involving actual facts. Sorry we’ve forced you to think and try to defend your arguments at the Donnybrook. I would have enjoyed actually coming across one some day. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride, alas. You keep on saying “bye,” which is really too bad. I wish you’d quit doing that, knuckle down, and engage these contributions and other commenters’ contributions. It makes for healthy discourse. We all learn, and we all improve as a result. I’m going to continue tearing into Dean, Karl, Bill, and the rest. They’re going to continue tearing into me. I don’t want a rancorous repeat of an earlier ugliness. Please stick around and duke it out.

or the 14000 terror attacks since 9-11 worldwide

Wait a minute, I thought you said there have been no terrorist attacks since 9-11. I guess if they are outside of USA you don’t care, except to quote it as a statistic when convenient.

wow, the most erroneous statement ever uttered

yep, no one in Iraq or anywhere in that region had anything to do with the killings the past 1400 years, esp the past 30, or 9-11 or the 14000 terror attacks since 9-11 worldwide, not to mention the dozens we’ve thwarted since 9-11 thanks to the policies you oppose

your vote for ron paul or bob barr arguably cost mccain the election

sorry, guys, the more i read the more i am angered and find you 100% equally as misguided as the bozos of the left, even if well-meaning

so, adios

the GOP is now in factions and like many times in the past will lose election after election due to that

at least the dems are united in their radicalism and antiwar, anti military, anti Israel views

To be clear, you define national security as a willingness to kill tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people in a country half way around the world that have never fired a single shot at us so that we can install a Muslim government, our third consecutive attempt at installing governments in this particular country.

um, we declared war on Japan when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Then Hitler declared war on us. I don’t recall WWII policymakers deciding to go to war against Hitler. In fact, it was just the opposite. They stayed out of the war in Europe (formally), until Hitler made the decision for us. What exactly are you arguing?

“Saddam has no WNDs”

And those are where, exactly?

“did you watch [Ron Paul's] venom”

Yes, his fangs were on vivid display. When his tale rattled, I knew there was trouble. Such a vicious limited-government snake, that Ron Paul.

“again, i spend time at work asking this b/c i care about our party supporting someone more comfortable with george soros than george bush”

This is one of your bigger lies. I’m pretty sure everybody here thinks George Soros is one of the world’s most malicious, evil men. I sure do.

It is logically possible for me to not be “comfortable” with George Soros AND George Bush.

“the biggest fascists at rallies are ron paul’s folks”

So you define “fascist” as someone who is opposed to big government? You cannot sling words like that around without making them utterly useless, but that is what has happened.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_care_overhaul

again, there’s never any Obama bashing here, or posts like that

incredible

Again, cut and run and we’re dead. A long war. Be patient.

I have said many times I find Paul’s economic and social beliefs very strong. But I am a nat’l security guy first & foremost, so Paul is dead bottom with me.