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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>An Army Wages War, Right?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This U.S. soldier declared before Congress that he would not deploy to Iraq in June to participate in an &#8220;illegal&#8221; war.  Other soldiers were paraded in front of members of Congress, all of them spewing horror stories of the murders and rapes committed by U.S. troops in Iraq.  I find this shameful on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This U.S. soldier <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080516144757.0ds7otes&#038;show_article=1">declared</a> before Congress that he would not deploy to Iraq in June to participate in an &#8220;illegal&#8221; war.  Other soldiers were paraded in front of members of Congress, all of them spewing horror stories of the murders and rapes committed by U.S. troops in Iraq.  I find this shameful on several levels.  First, Mr. Chiroux signed up with the army knowing full well that he would most likely be put in harms way.  It is not his position to make decisions on the legality of the war, rather he is to serve as a valuable piece of machinary in the military machine.  To run an army any other way is absurd.  I can already hear some among you arguing that soldiers can abstain from fighting in a blatanly &#8220;evil&#8221; war.  That may be true but the illegality or evilness of the war must be so apparent that there can be no question as to the illegitimacy of the war.  That is simply not the case here.</p>
<p>Second, I am offended that partisan groups would parade these soldiers who are against the war in front of Congress and the national media, with the hope of demoralizing our soldiers in Iraq by demonstrating how &#8220;unstable&#8221; or &#8220;lawless&#8221; our troops are.  I would argue that these few men and women are the exception to the rule of competent and reasonable military men and women who make up our armed forces.  Why are their voices not being brought in front of Congress?  I have had the opportunity to speak with several individuals who have fought in Iraq and not one of them thinks that the war was wrong and that we cannot win and that our armed forces are conducting themselves as we would hope.  This dog and pony show in front of Congress is akin to Hanoi Jane and the Vietnam Vets against the war in the early 1970s.</p>
<p>Third, and Bill already addressed this in a previous <a href="http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/05/13/purple-hearts-for-everyone/">post</a>, is the constant focus on post traumatic stress disorder that some soldiers return home with.  I have no doubt that some if not all soldiers return home changed and with baggage.  Undoubtedly it is serious baggage.  However, did soldiers not have this baggage in any previous war?  War is hell and soldiers who voluntarily sign up to engage in war will have to deal with it, just as U.S. soldiers have been since the Revolution.  The idea that this is some new problem and those diagnosed are any different or more harmed by the stress of combat than any previous soldiers makes no sense to me.  This stress is not unique or special.  It comes with the territory.</p>
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		<title>Farm Bill Fever</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew Cline wrote an amusing article for The American Spectator on the passage of a disastrous farm-welfare bill.  If you are not a farmer, this is the only joy you will get out of this bill&#8217;s passage.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Cline wrote <a href="http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13226">an amusing article </a>for The American Spectator on the passage of a disastrous farm-welfare bill.  If you are not a farmer, this is the only joy you will get out of this bill&#8217;s passage.</p>
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		<title>California Justices Have Gay-dar</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/05/15/california-justices-have-gay-dar/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[The California Supreme Court has defeated the will of the citizens of the Golden State by ruling that the proposition-approved law stating that marriage is defined as a bond between one man and one woman is unconstitutional.
An effort is under way to amend the state constitution to re-instate the law approved by a majority of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The California Supreme Court has <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080515/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage">defeated the will of the citizens </a>of the Golden State by ruling that the proposition-approved law stating that marriage is defined as a bond between one man and one woman is unconstitutional.</p>
<p>An effort is under way to amend the state constitution to re-instate the law approved by a majority of California voters banning same sex marriages.</p>
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		<title>Hillary rolls in West Virginia</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[This fascinating map, via Ross, via Andrew, depicts the counties wherein Clinton captured 65% or more of the vote and may help to explain why the rout was on in West Virginia.

It would appear that the Scots-Irish of the Appalachian belt are turning out in huge numbers for the former first lady. Last night&#8217;s solid [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This fascinating map, <a href="http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/the_case_for_obamawebb_again.php" target="_self">via Ross</a>, <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/west-virginia.html" target="_self">via Andrew</a>, depicts the counties wherein Clinton captured 65% or more of the vote and may help to explain why the rout was on in West Virginia.</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-584" style="vertical-align: middle;" title="clinton65jpg" src="http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/clinton65jpg.png" alt="" width="470" height="297" /></p>
<p>It would appear that the Scots-Irish of the Appalachian belt are turning out in huge numbers for the former first lady. Last night&#8217;s solid drubbing of Obama in West Virginia, according to this map, was entirely predictable. And, what the heck, I&#8217;ll go out on a limb and predict a similar result when the primaries visit Kentucky next Tuesday. On the other hand, I would expect South Dakota, Montana and Oregon to be much closer. In the end, it is likely that Hillary has one more solid outing in the works and it she will need to make it count, if she wants to sway the outstanding Superdelegates to her orbit.</p>
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		<title>Ohio man sentenced to 180 days for daughter&#8217;s failure</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw this story on one of the news channels the other day and thought of LTG. We have had a number of sparring bouts over the role of parents versus the role the of the State. This story is interesting because the State is recognizing the rights of the parent (and every right carries [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1952800/American-man-jailed-after-daughter-fails-exam.html" target="_self">this story</a> on one of the news channels the other day and thought of LTG. We have had a number of sparring bouts over the role of parents versus the role the of the State. This story is interesting because the State is recognizing the rights of the parent (and every right carries with it a corresponding duty) to provide for his child&#8217;s education. Unfortunately for Mr. Gegner, he was found in dereliction of his duty to educate his daughter when she failed the mathematics section of her General Education Development exam. Mr. Gegner was charged with &#8220;contributing to the delinquency of a minor&#8221; after the court had ordered him to see that his daughter passed the exam. She had a previous history of truancy.</p>
<p>If, as LTG likes to point out, a child&#8217;s education is entirely within the purview of the parents, isn&#8217;t this an appropriate ruling? With the right, comes the responsibility. Of course, the flipside is: If the onus were on the State to educate the child, would then the delinquency of this minor fall upon her public school teachers? As tempting as it is for me to endorse that outcome, I find both results absurd. After all, the world needs ditch diggers too.</p>
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		<title>Georgia institutes new incentive plan&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/05/14/georgia-institutes-new-incentive-plan/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230;for waiters, waitresses, bartenders and bar wenches.
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		<title>Will Conservatives Belly-Up to the Barr?</title>
		<link>http://www.conservativedonnybrook.com/2008/05/13/will-conservatives-belly-up-to-the-barr/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob Barr is running for President of the United States as a libertarian.  He gave this interview with National Review Online.  This is the same Barr who frothed at the mouth to impeach Bill Clinton, railed against the practice of abortion while obtaining one for his wife, first vehemently opposed the decriminalization of marijuana and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Barr is running for President of the United States as a libertarian.  <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2NkMmU1NWM3ODI2ZjJhODAwNjQ4YzU0NmNkYjBiY2E=">He gave this interview</a> with National Review Online.  This is the same Barr who frothed at the mouth to impeach Bill Clinton, railed against the practice of abortion while obtaining one for his wife, first vehemently opposed the decriminalization of marijuana and now endorses it, supported white supremacist Chester Doles, and now works for the ACLU.  Yeah, no baggage for Barr!</p>
<p>Questions remain such as will Barr attract Ron Paulites?  Will Barr participate in a national debate with Barack and John?  Are Barr&#8217;s chances any better than a snowball&#8217;s in Hell?  And, at the root of all other questions, will Barr siphon off enough votes from McCain to hand Obama 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?  My guess is no.  Barr is just another untrustworthy quack from Washington.</p>
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		<title>Purple Hearts For Everyone!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Defense Secretary Robert Gates offered tenuous support for issuing the purple heart to any military person suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.  While I am sure that many of our Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Sailors suffer from the horrific realities of combat, the wound is not the same as taking a bullet, losing an arm [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defense Secretary Robert Gates offered tenuous <a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121063207588086509-JCODxaBcdADwD4dtqaLv8KcIMtQ_20080611.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top">support for issuing the purple</a> heart to any military person suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.  While I am sure that many of our Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Sailors suffer from the horrific realities of combat, the wound is not the same as taking a bullet, losing an arm or a leg, etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>I am reminded of the field hospital scene in the movie Patton:</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: What&#8217;s the matter with you?<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Soldier</span></strong>: Well, I&#8230; I guess I&#8230; I can&#8217;t take it anymore.<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: What did you say?<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Soldier</span></strong>: It&#8217;s my nerves, sir. I&#8230; I just can&#8217;t stand the shelling anymore.<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: Your &#8220;nerves&#8221;? Well, hell, you&#8217;re nothing but a God-damned coward.<br />
[<em class="fine">Soldier starts sniveling</em>]<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: Shut up!<br />
[<em class="fine">Slaps him, once forehanded, then backhanded on the rebound</em>]<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: I&#8217;m not going to have a man sitting here crying! In front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!<br />
[<em class="fine">Soldier snivels some more, and Patton swings a vicious forehand slap, knocking his helmet away</em>]<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: Shut up!<br />
[<em class="fine">to the doctors</em>]<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: Don&#8217;t admit this yellow bastard. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with him. I won&#8217;t have a man who&#8217;s just afraid to fight stinking up this place of honor! You will get him back up to the front.<br />
[<em class="fine">to soldier</em>]<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: You&#8217;re going back to the front, boy. You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you&#8217;re going back to the fighting. Either that, or I&#8217;ll stand you up before a firing squad. Why, I ought to shoot you right now, you&#8230;<br />
[<em class="fine">pulls his service automatic. At that, the doctors leap forward and hustle the soldier out of the tent. Patton keeps shouting at the soldier&#8217;s back</em>]<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: God-damned bastard! Get him out of here! Take him back to the front! You hear me? You God-damned coward!<br />
[<em class="fine">Takes deep breath</em>]<br />
<strong><span style="color: #003399;">Patton</span></strong>: I won&#8217;t have cowards in my army.</p>
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		<title>What&#8217;s the Difference Between Me and You?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Jack Kerwick posted a poorly reasoned piece on the Intellectual Conservative web site concerning the difference between, well, him and me.  He being the &#8220;Classical Conservative&#8221; (i.e. paleo-conservative) I representing the &#8220;Neo-Conservative&#8221; camp.  Dr. Kerwick begins his discussion by comparing a utilitarian&#8217;s opposition to abortion to that of natural law theorist&#8217;s.  Mr. Kerwick writes:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Jack Kerwick posted <a href="http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/23/neo-conservatism-v-classical-conservatism/">a poorly reasoned piece </a>on the <a href="http://intellectualconservative.blogspot.com/">Intellectual Conservative web site</a> concerning the difference between, well, him and me.  He being the &#8220;Classical Conservative&#8221; (i.e. paleo-conservative) I representing the &#8220;Neo-Conservative&#8221; camp.  Dr. Kerwick begins his discussion by comparing a utilitarian&#8217;s opposition to abortion to that of natural law theorist&#8217;s.  Mr. Kerwick writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;The utilitarian opposes abortion because he believes that the general practice of abortion will in the long run cause more pain than pleasure for the greatest number of people. In stark contrast, the Roman Catholic natural law theorist opposes it because he thinks that abortion is inherently wrong, irrespective of consequences.&#8221;  So far so good, no objections here. He goes on to state how classical and neo-conservative philosophies differ in much the same way.   Kerwick then compares the classical and neocon perspectives in three areas; reason, morality and the State.</p>
<p><strong>Reason/Knowledge</strong><br />
Kerwick states &#8220;Neo-conservatives endorse a trans-cultural, trans-historical conception of reason.  Reason…is ultimately capable of rising over and against [tradition].&#8221;  Classical conservatives on the other hand, according to Kerwick, believe &#8220;…reason is the product of…tradition.  [Reason*] consists not [of]…&#8217;self-evident truths&#8217; but in unarticulated feelings, habits and customs….&#8221;</p>
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<p>In other words, neocons view Reason as existing in nature and paleos view it as existing in the way each specific society conducts its affairs for an undetermined amount of time.  Put another way, neocons believe in Natural Law as where paleos believe in a &#8220;what feels right is right&#8221; philosophy. I am sure a few Paleos may have an objection or two to Mr. Kerwick&#8217;s supposition.</p>
<p><strong>Morality</strong><br />
According to Kerwick, neocons believe &#8220;morality is comprised essentially of &#8216;principles&#8217;…of &#8216;natural&#8217; or &#8216;human right[s]&#8217;.  Uniquely accessible to all rational beings&#8221;   <br />
Again, I do not disagree but I do believe he has pegged most paleos incorrectly.  To classical conservatives, Kerwick says, natural rights to not exist.  Rather, &#8220;morality is local, tradition constituted.&#8221;  Kerwick continues &#8220;Whatever principles there may be, they are the offspring of a historically specific, shared way of life….&#8221;  Is he truly arguing that paleos are moral relativists?  I am sure some paleos are, but as whole, I think not.</p>
<p><strong>The State<br />
</strong>Dr. Kerwick&#8217;s final comparison focuses on the nature of a State.  Neocons, he says, believe the State &#8220;exists to for the sake of bringing to fruition some premeditated ideal or end, like Freedom, Equality, Virtue, Security, Prosperity or Democracy.&#8221;  I disagree.  I, and I think most if not all neocons (and probably paleos too) would agree, that the State exists to perpetuate and safe guard Freedom, Equality, Virtue, Security, Prosperity or Democracy, not to create it or bring it to &#8220;fruition.&#8221; <br />
Kerwick states that classical conservatives, in comparison, &#8220;reject any notion that there is a single supreme end or hierarchy of ends toward which it is government’s responsibility to direct society. Government is important, and it is important that government should be strong, but its functions are few and its chief function is to preserve order.&#8221;  Really, no &#8220;supreme end?&#8221;  No final arbiter of disputes or conflicts?  Then how can a government &#8220;be strong&#8221; or &#8220;preserve order?&#8221; Strength for what and to what end?  And what &#8220;order&#8221; is being preserved?  The democratic one?  The freedom of each citizen?  Equality?  What? </p>
<div>Dr. Kerwick wraps up by dismissing neo-conservatism as &#8220;a form of enlightenment liberal rationalism, the sort…conservatism originally emerged and developed as a distinctive tradition of thought.&#8221;  His own comparison refutes his final assertion!  I don&#8217;t think he any grasp of what a classical conservative, much less a neo-conservative believes.  Am I wrong?  Do you paleos agree with how Dr. Kerwick categorizes you? </div>
<div>* <span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"><em>Kerwich uses &#8220;knowledge&#8221; instead of reason here. I assume he views the two as one in the same.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I think this alone to be a fatal intellectual error)</em></span></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several home schooled hoodlums in Texas have been arrested for disturbing the grave of an 11-year old whom passed away in 1921.  Those arrested claimed to have smoked pot out of the skull of the deceased.  The claim has yet to be substantiated by police who are investigating the home schooled boys&#8217; claims.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several home schooled hoodlums in Texas have been arrested for disturbing the grave of an 11-year old whom passed away in 1921.  Those arrested claimed to have <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5764886.html">smoked pot out of the skull </a>of the deceased.  The claim has yet to be substantiated by police who are investigating the home schooled boys&#8217; claims.</p>
<p>This is a disturbing story indeed.  What is wrong with some rolling papers or a old fashioned pipe?  These kids need to have their heads examined.  Only a first class nut job would think up such a disgusting and immoral past-time.</p>
<p>You may ask, &#8220;Why so much mention of the sick-o&#8217;s being &#8217;home schooled&#8217;?&#8221;  And I am not sure, I just noticed that the Houston Chronicle made sure to throw it in at the end of their story.  What is their point?  That home schooling is so inherently evil that it produces pot smoking necrophiliacs?  Maybe the Chronicle will fill us in shortly.   </p>
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